Mon, 2009-01-12 23:17
The Web Standards Advisor is authored by WebAssist and Jeffrey Zeldman.
On his own site, JZ reckons it helped him identify errors in his own site and on others created by some of the 'best in the business', but after watching the features video it seems like it mainly points out stuff that I'm fairly well aware of, so I'm undecided whether it'd be worthwhile getting for myself, even though JZ claims it's for 'coders at any level (including expert)'. Seems like it'd certainly be worthwhile for beginners to intermediate coders though.
Tue, 2009-01-13 07:10
#1
Oh I could say stuff here,
Oh I could say stuff here, and i'm itching to but...
This 'tool' does nothing that you shouldn't be able to do once you have gained a modicum of real skill and experience under your belt and making use of tools such as Chris Peddericks webdev toolbar and Firebug.
For newbies it'll be great as it's one more thing automated and done for you, saving that awful amount of time one has to waste gaining experience.
I wouldn't waste any money of something like this and I'm sure that the great JZ will make all sorts of claims for it, after all he did 'write the book on standards' didn't he!
Now We'll just wait for those that will care to point out that it is indeed worthwhile if it drags a few more newbies kicking and screaming towards Standards coding 
Darn it I've gone done and overheated me cynical circuits again, must get some extra cooling installed.
Tue, 2009-01-13 13:58
#2
Hugo wrote:... Now We'll
... Now We'll just wait for those that will care to point out that it is indeed worthwhile if it drags a few more newbies kicking and screaming towards Standards coding ...
You know, I've been thinking about that lately. If we teach the entire world to code in standards where does that leave us as professionals? Are we helping ourselves out of jobs? :mad:
Jeffy Zeldman, you stink! 
LOL
Tue, 2009-01-13 15:25
#3
You think that's bad, what
You think that's bad, what about us code fixers if IE ever gets it together? Standards and a working-right IE? We're doomed, doomed I say. :scared:
cheers,
gary
Tue, 2009-01-13 15:35
#4
gary.turner wrote:You think
You think that's bad, what about us code fixers if IE ever gets it together? Standards and a working-right IE? We're doomed, doomed I say. :scared:
You skipped a pill today, din'cha?
Tue, 2009-01-13 15:35
#5
As soon as everything sorts
As soon as everything sorts itself out I'm going back to tables!
Tue, 2009-01-13 15:49
#6
Hugo wrote:As soon as
As soon as everything sorts itself out I'm going back to tables!
As soon as I figure out how to browse using Outlook I'll be happy.
Tue, 2009-01-13 15:50
#7
Flash programmers are paid
Flash programmers are paid quite well!
Tue, 2009-01-13 16:05
#8
Hugo wrote:Flash programmers
Flash programmers are paid quite well!
That's right! Screw SEO and the disabled, let's make sh*t move!!!!
Tue, 2009-01-13 17:00
#9
Air and Flex that's where
Air and Flex that's where it's at! wasted too much time with this Standards nonsense, people just laugh and snigger at you whilst saying "oh the semantic web" 
Tue, 2009-01-13 20:21
#10
The best tools for
The best tools for Dreamweaver are Firefox, a text editor, and an ftp program. Then uninstall DW.
Tue, 2009-01-13 21:10
#11
Ed Seedhouse wrote:The best
The best tools for Dreamweaver are Firefox, a text editor, and an ftp program. Then uninstall DW.
Have you ever actually used it? I've been using it for 2 years now (after I had been hand-coding for a few years) and I'm quite happy with it and won't be uninstalling it any time soon.
Tue, 2009-01-13 21:58
#12
Tyssen wrote:Have you ever
Have you ever actually used it? I've been using it for 2 years now (after I had been hand-coding for a few years) and I'm quite happy with it and won't be uninstalling it any time soon.
Well, to confess, actually I do use it as they gave it to me at work. It makes a decent text editor and even the design view is handy from time to time for entering text with various characters that DW will then helpfully convert to the proper html entity.
I never use it to design layouts, though. Also it's an ancient version from 2004 that I use.
So I was speaking at least partly with tongue firmly in cheek. But I still think new coders should be kept well away from it until they understand html and CSS on their own and how they interact. Once you have a firm grounding in semantic html it makes a decently useful tool.
I also use it to convert word documents to html by, first, copying the word stuff to a text editor, then copy/pasting it into DW design view, then fixing up the resultant html to make it properly semantic.
That way it does a semi-decent markup job and only needs to be patched up a bit and saves me a fair bit of time over pure hand coding.
Just never ever try to do any "WYSIWYG" stuff with it.